News Briefs Arlington man hurt in accident
Risingsun -- An Arlington man was cited for drunken driving and was taken to the hospital following an accident early Wednesday.
Tony Redick, 46, was driving north on U.S. 23 near Wayne Street in Risingsun at 1:39 a.m. when he drove off the left side of the road, according to the Wood County Sheriff's Office.
Redick struck a utility pole and broke it in half, according to the office.
He was treated at Fostoria Community Hospital, and cited for both operating a vehicle while intoxicated and failure to control, according to the sheriff's office.
Woman injured in Findlay crash
A Findlay woman was sent to the hospital after a traffic accident Wednesday evening.
Angela Iliss, 42, of Findlay, was driving on G Street and attempted to turn onto Tiffin Avenue at 5:41 p.m., according to Findlay police.
Her vehicle collided with a vehicle on Tiffin Avenue driven by Andrea Stout, 23, of Findlay, police said.
Iliss was transported to Blanchard Valley Hospital with shoulder and knee injuries, according to police.
No citations were written because of conflicting stories, police said.
Dispatchers get pay raises
NORTH BALTIMORE -- Pay raises were granted to three dispatchers with the North Baltimore Police Department this week. Three other dispatchers will see more money because of an increase in the state minimum wage.
North Baltimore Council held an executive session Tuesday night to discuss the dispatchers' wages.
Emerging from the closed session, council agreed to increase the pay for three dispatchers from $7.50 an hour to $7.70 an hour to meet minimum wage requirements.
Three other dispatchers, who had been earning $8 an hour, were granted a 1 percent pay increase by council.
Other village employees also were given 1 percent salary increases Tuesday by council, retroactive to Jan. 1.
Railroad crossing work scheduled
Cass Township 238, between Hancock County 216 and Hancock County 109, will be closed at the Norfolk Southern railroad crossing today through Feb. 15 for crossing repairs, according to county Engineer Steve Wilson.
Real estate taxes due this Friday
Real estate taxes for the first half of last year are due Friday.
Payments can be made at the Hancock County Treasurer's Office from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. or at numerous lending institutions, according to Treasurer J. Steve Welton.
For mailed payments, residents should send them before the Friday deadline, according to Welton.
Findlay library hosts story time
Story time for children will be held at the Findlay-Hancock County Public Library on Tuesdays and Thursdays this month from 10:30 a.m. to 11:30 a.m.
Children will listen to stories, sing songs and make a simple craft.
The next baby story time, for children up to 36 months old, will be Feb. 17 from 9:30 a.m. to 10 a.m.
All story times are held in the Children's Program Room, and no registration is required.
University to host concert Friday
Vocalist and pianist Darrelle London will perform from 11:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. Friday in the University of Findlay's Alumni Memorial Union.
The concert, part of the university's Music Bach's Series, is free. Those with questions about the program may call 419-434-4606.
Library to host youth book sale
BLUFFTON -- A youth book sale will be held at the Bluffton Public Library from Feb. 13-17.
The sale is being held by the library's Teen Advisory Group in celebration of Library Lovers Month.
In addition, the Teen Advisory Group will be selling chocolate bars and Valentine-themed baked goods, with funds going toward youth programming and new youth materials.
Those wanting more information are being asked to contact Rikki Unterbrink at unterbrink@blufftonpubliclibrary.org or 419-358-5016.
Winkle appointed to county board
The Hancock County Educational Service Center's governing board has appointed Jeffrey Winkle to complete the unexpired term of Michael Stacy, who previously resigned from the governing board.
Stacy resigned after being elected as a member of the Allen Township Board of Trustees in November.
A resident of Van Buren, Winkle also serves as the director of the Findlay-Hancock County Public Library.
Library to honor retiring director
NORTH BALTIMORE -- The Friends of the North Baltimore Public Library, the library board and its employees are sponsoring an open house to honor retiring director Lesley McKinstry.
The open house will be held at the library from 10 a.m. 4 p.m. Tuesday. The public is invited.
McKinstry served 12 years as director of the library.
VB board to meet
VAN BUREN -- Van Buren's school board will meet at 7 p.m. today in the community room.
Home school book discussion slated
The Findlay-Hancock County Public Library will hold a home school book discussion from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. Feb. 21 in the Children's Program Room.
Registration is not required.
L-B kindergarten registration starts
Liberty-Benton School District has begun registration for kindergarten for the 2012-13 school year.
Parents of children who will be 5 years old on or before Aug. 1 may register.
To register, contact the school at 419-422-9161 between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m., or register online at the school's website, www.noacsc.org/hancock/lb/.
Youth Orchestra tickets
Tickets for the Findlay Youth Orchestra Concert at 5 p.m. Feb. 19, at First Presbyterian Church, will be $5 for adults and students. Children age 12 and under are free. To purchase tickets or for more information, contact the Arts Partnership at 419-422-4624 or www.artspartnership.com.
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Latest comments listed first.This story happened seven months ago, why drag it bad up again? Can you really be that upset about things all this long afterwards?
It is a shame that Mr. England and his school does not have enough faith in their students to trust that they will "do the right thing" when confronted with activities or the like that test their teachings.
I have known the step father since he was a child in an extreme dysfunctional family. His bizarre behavior stems from not being taught how to successfully deal with adverse experiences. However, the media is capitalizing on a man who should be kept out of the spotlight.
Has anyone thought to focus on the school? I believe the family should sue HCS; it is their legal right as well as their moral obligation. How dare HCS go beyond its doors to control the students! The punishment does not even fit the crime! It sounds like the school has something against the student or his family and are trying they don't have any other way of getting their revenge.
Putting this aside, was not Tyler properly dealt with?? Would it not be lawful for a money lender to require payment from the one who promised it to him?? Sure it would! And so Tyler agreed to abide by the school rules and he broke that agreement. Is there really a difference? Whether or not justice is done here on earth, one day Tyler will answer to the Lord for the choices he made, as will each of us, myself included. I want to answer having made my choices based on the standards given to me by the One who will judge me! In the end my righteousness is not enough, but because Christ's blood has been imputed on my behalf I will stand complete in the righteousness of Christ. Tyler will also stand in Christ's righteousness, with all his sins forgiven IF he repents of his way and accepts Christ. Justice will be done! :)
Why is it ok to bash God or religion, but the minutes Christians say something YOU don't like it goes on the news? Well, there IS a God, and He loves you and has a great plan for your life! You can read all about it in His love letter to you. > Jer. 29:11
"Praise the LORD. Sing to the LORD a new song, his praises in the assembly of the saints. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker, let the people of Zion be glad in their King. Let them praise his name with DANCING and make MUSIC to him with tambourine and harp. For the LORD takes delight in his people; he crowns the humble with salvation. Let the saints rejoice in this honor and sing for joy on their beds."
It is not that I agree with the school, but I would not go as far to say that the Dancing and Music at Prom is to praise and worship God.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
"There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weap and a time to laugh, A TIME TO MOURN AND A TIME TO DANCE, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace."
Then-- Psalm 149:1-5
"Praise the LORD. Sing to the LORD a new song, his praises in the assembly of the saints. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker, let the people of Zion be glad in their King. Let them praise his name with DANCING and make MUSIC to him with tambourine and harp. For the LORD takes delight in his people; he crowns the humble with salvation. Let the saints rejoice in this honor and sing for joy on their beds."
Enough said.
Not from those among us
His STEP DAD needs to stop looking for attention. This has grown out of control.
I graduated you from HCS. I attended the school from K5 to 12 grade. I did not agree with alot of the rules, but I followed them. When I did BREAK a rule I suffered the consequences. I did not run to the paper.
But what England says is correct: our decisions " please self, or please God". Be sure-oh mighty school, that you aren't pleasing yourself when making this decision.
One last thing: dancing & rock and roll (or any music) is only immoral if used immorally. I listen to Rock--Christian Rock. Rock and roll that is sung to GOD. Doesn't the Bible also say that "in all that we do, we do for God?"
In short: Let the Boy go to the prom without punishment!!
The bible says there is one way to the father and that is through Jesus Christ. Not dancing or not listening to music has zero to do with eternity.
As a committed follower of Christ, I am embarrassed for the christian community.
First, let me say that I do not agree with the rules that this school upholds and for that reason I would never send my children there. Regardless if you agree with the school rules or not the fact remains that the rules were spelled out in the beginning of every year since Tyler was in 7th grade. The parents signed them, Tyler signed them and in doing so they agreed that Tyler would conduct himself according to those rules. The rule book may not have stated that these rules should be followed outside of school but with this kind of school they were implied. Do you follow the rules of your church when you are there and then leave them at the door when you leave? NO. Steve stated on the radio that he goes to this church also, so are we supposed to believe that he REALLY didn't think that these rules applied outside of school? Are we also to believe that he REALLY didn't think that when the rules said no rock music and no dancing it meant it would be ok to go to a prom??
I believe that Steve is taking this way to far . . . the school is NOT judging him or his family, Mr. England is not trying to play God. Plain and simple, rules were broken and there should be some consequences for that. The school is only trying to teach a lesson here.
I want to know why Steve thinks that his stepson only needs to follow the rules that he agrees with. I wonder what happens when Tyler breaks a rule at home . . . are there consequences for that?? This man runs a business, are there rules for his employees? What happens when they break them?? Point being . . . there are rules in all aspects of life and wether you agree with them or not you DO NOT get to obey the ones you like! What kind of lesson will Tyler learn if there are no consequence for this?
If Steve or Tonya (or Tyler) did NOT like the rules or thought there might be things they wanted him to experience (like prom) then they should have sent him to another school. Let him take the punishment, Steve got his 15 minutes of fame now LET IT GO!
*** Rules is rules!! ***
What that school is doing is wrong. I believe that it could be argued that the school is violating the rights of the young Mr. Frost. The school is in the same ranks of other extremest religious groups. And that is exactly what this school is. It is allowing religion to become part of the education. If the school was to teach on the Christian values, it would not teach religion. There is a huge difference between religion, which will not grant Salvation, and true Faith. Faith is what grants salvation, not attendence to church, or adherence to a church policy. Remember that churhes are created my Man and are Mans interpretation of the Word of God. There is too much religion and not enough Faith. Far too often men and women leave church at church. They are happy and forgiving and loving, but only on Sunday mornings. In the rest of their lives those people are judgmental. They take upon themselves what was only meant for God: judgement. The school should trust that Tyler Frost will make the correct choices, that he will choose what Christ impresses upon his heart to be right.
Just think, members of Heritage Christian, If Christ were here in the flesh today, would He be in the Churches, or would He be in brothels, in the bars, and in the dirt of society. The goal of HC should be to prepare the teenagers that attend to spread the Faith to others. To spread the faith, the teenagers need to be prepared to enter the consuming pits of hell, metaphorically speaking. By bringing up the teenagers in such a strict climate, they are cloaked in religion and do not get the Faith. We must NOT stop spreading the Faith.
And furthermore!! Just because you go to prom doesn't mean you are sinning. I had a fantastic time with my friends and there was no sex or alcohol involved!
I went to a private christian school from the 5th grade thru graduation. We were forbidden to dance ever, and we had no prom. I spent many hours studying the bible book by book. When I went to my 4 year college, I was behind on Math and Lit. I had to spend good money catching up after my parents wasted so much on this pathetic christian school. I graduated high shcool with straight A's and more math credits than the christian school required to graduate. It was such a waste of time and money.
Now over 27 years later I still regret not having a prom. I still struggle with confidence on the dance floor dancing with my wife. [T]he coaches and teachers were using the paddle on me. [COMMENT REMOVED]
The most common reason adults are drawn to teach and work at christian schools is because of the blind sheeplike trust that irresponsible parents have in them. They find that it is easy to prey on these kids because the parents have abandoned them emotionally. If children complain, they are branded "rebels" and "juvenile delinquents"
I say we should de-certify all private religious schools institutions accreditations. If you want to waste a good childhood and primary education, then go ahead and send you child to a private christian school. [COMMENT REMOVED]
-KM
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Jesus himself said it. Obviously, all the religiosos take it very seriously, and hate their mothers this mothers day.
Nuff said.
Growing up, I knew some students who attended Calvary Baptist/Heritage Christian and they were miserable. How is this preparing them for life? Tyler is presumably going on to college next year. Since he has been "bubble wrapped" for the last 13 years, does anyone not think he may rebel? Wouldn't it be better service to all involved to prepare him to live in the real world, rather than this imaginary one that this church and school have created?
You can instill morals into your child while preparing them to deal with the temptations of sex, alcohol, and drugs. You will not accomplish this by pretending that it doesn't exist.
Tyler, by the time of this writing you will have already attended the Prom, and for this I applaud you. Remember, a church cannot dictate the decisions you have to make on your own in your life.
"I think, therefore I am" --Rene Descartes
Even though I removed my son from the school a few years later b/c of disagreement on certain issues but I am forever grateful to this school for giving him a christian based, safe and loving place to learn when he needed it the most. I have to respect their decisions are consistently based on their beliefs, and I KNOW that they act towards the children with good intentions. If I were still sending my son to school there in no way would I be surprised if they wanted to enforce that agreement, and I wouldn't tell my son that it was okay to violate that agreement and not expect consequences.
Clearly since it was in the newspaper on Thursday you did fully understand the consequences before Tyler actually went to the prom, and you allowed him to attend prom anyway. In a few weeks Tyler will be making his own choices.
Mr. Johnson, when you call us retards you shouldn't really follow it with a statement of WWJD. I am pretty certain that Jesus would not wonder aloud if we were retards.
I also have to respect the measured discipline and restraint on all other parties involved.
So why the big surprise? I guess we follow the rule we agree to until it become inconvenient. I would expect that from a teenager, but not his parents. I hope when my kids are that old, I will encourage them to keep their word.
If not, take the punishment and dont complain.
As far as the schools rules about music, dancing, and physical contact with the opposite sex, wouldn't it be in a teenagers best intrest to face the "imoralities" of this world and decide for themselves which path to take? God gave us free will, the right for each of us to choose. I believe there is greater value in someone personally choosing not to indulge in these imoralities rather than view them as a "DO NOT..." With it listed as a rule then it will just be out of habit or obedience to that rule that people say no.."oh, I'm not allowed to do that." Why not? "Because it's against the rules." I'm not saying rules aren't necessary...but for moral choices, it should not be a "rule". Which do you think has greater value, the above mentioned senario or a teenager beeing offered a beer after prom...the teenagers contemplates it for a while, considers the ramifications of taking it and not taking it and then finally says to his buddy, "No thanks." When questioned and ridiculed by his friends, he replies with, "I CHOOSE not to endanger my life or others." rather than, "it's against the school's rules."
Tyler may have obeyed the rules up to this point, but NO, he did NOT REALLY get what he SHOULD have gotten at school, because true CHRISTIAN education is about developing the character to do right ALL the time, not to please yourself -- but your LORD and those that love and care for you the most. TRUE Christian education is NOT _just_ about the academics.
You are the only two in all of these blogs that have hit the nail on the head. I Am so pleased that there are other's who have come to a very basic understanding of Christ's position while on earth.
I don't believe that shielding kids from life's situations helps them in the long run......if a school is too strict with their rules, some kids may rebell and end up worse off.
After reading all of these comments, I still think this school is a joke. I'm not sure why any parent would send their kids to HC past the elementary age. It sure as heck isn't going to prepare them for the real world. Maybe 20 years ago it would have, but the world is a different place now.
If the school is such a great school, they should trust that their students will make good choices.
I hope Tyler had fun at the prom and that all of this attention didn't ruin it for him and his date. Hopefully they had alittle time alone anyway.
He undoubtedly has a problem. Everyone else seems to be reasonable and consistent with their beliefs. You have to respect those who stand for what they believe with kindness and with consistency, Too bad Johnson is so prejudiced and intolerant.
Are people so blind to read this article and *gaspthis Christian School is trying to *gasp be Christian!
It's sad in our "tolerant" society where the only sin is "intolerance" we find "tolerant" people who are consistently "intolerant" of the "intolerant." Who are the true hypocrites?
This is a non-issue. Apparently, this RELIGIOUS school has standards concerning the sin of lust. Christ said "whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart".....Paul warns about the unmarried "burning with lust." The clear command to avoid "revelings" is seen throughout scripture.
The whole reason why the school was founded....to teach and require the consistent practice of Christian Principles. Some people want that in their livesand so they choose to pay for Christian Education over Public Education. Christian Education will train you to follow the commands in the Bible whereas Public Education will train you to follow the commands of their Humanistic God.
Consider his actions as a failed unwritten test from his Bible Class. The whole let the rules apply only to in class time is ridiculousare you telling me that if he chose to have sex on his own time he should be allowed to continue at a Christian Institution. What if he impregnated his girlfriend? Keep him at school? If you say yes.you have no clue about Christian Education.
High School Proms aren't tea parties folks....it's not a "time when students jump for joy in thankfulness of God's goodness" as someone naively wrote previously.
Heritage Christian School is doing everything the right, moral, and Old Fashioned way.
Read this from the school's website:
Heritage Statistics for the Last 13 Years
Number of teen pregnancies - 0
Number of alcohol related incidences - 0
Number of illegal drug incidences - 0
Number of tobacco incidences - 0
Percentage of students transferring in from public schools who are happy to be in a wholesome environment - 100%
Maybe Heritage Christian School is doing something right.
Can any public school hold a candle to that? I wonder how many teen pregnancies, drug and tobacco use will happen at Findly High just tonight?
The school isn't trying to control....it's trying to protect and provide a safe place for parents to send their children. They are setting a precedent and are being completely kind and fair to simply suspend him.
Conclusion:
It's apparently a hack-job against a PRIVATE Christian Institution. Malone should be fired and the paper should issue an apology to HCS.
There are ways to present information and there are ways to "lead the reader." Malone only seems interested in the latter. She and other critics are swift in judgment against the religious convictions of others.
Goodness gracious....he's still going to receive his diploma. Missing out on a graduation with 4 students isn't the end of the world. Who cares? I personally think the school should have expelled the student once his family went to the press. I don't care how long he went to the school....he obviously doesn't want a degree from a place where its principle "thinks he's God." Go get a G.E.D. and get a life. Ive never heard of Findly, OH or this school before this..but I do vow to send money in support of the school as it fights governmental control.
What branch of the Taliban do these people belong to? Next they'll be asking young people that find themselves at a rock and roll event to commit some form of violence to stop it.
They're out of the distance past and God help us if they pervail.
Let's support young Mr Frost.
And let's keep our country free from the idoits that would copy a Taliban policy
Have fun young lad. If this is the most defiant thing that you've ever done in your life you are miles ahead of many of us.
No wonder church membership is on the decline. It's not enough to remain a virgin till marriage anymore. Now you can't even hold hands. I'm surprised he wasn't suspended for even admitting that he has a girlfriend. These are probably the same crazies that bomb abortion clinics and claim that it is the will of God.
To Mr. Frost's family... How come you've been going to that school for so long and not know the rules?
You people are lashing out at a school who have rules in place for the students. My child goes to Heritage, yes it's hard buy and wear skirts but do you see us mouthing off to the NY Times?
It's our right how we worship and you people will not understand these biblical principles because it is foolishness in your sight. We do not and will not try to control Mr. Frost's life or any other kid's life. If you don't like the school's policy, you can save your money and go to a public school!
We will be prying for those people who are cursing and threatening our dear school!
As a FHS student, I take offense to your comments. It is inaccurate to say that all students at FHS "lack control at dances". Yes, there is some dancing that goes on at FHS functions that some may find "inappropriate". However, if you believe this is only occuring at FHS, you are sadly mistaken. Try attending dances at some of the bigger cities (public AND provate schools) and see how much worse they are. At Findlay dances, you are not "required" to dance inappropriately. People should start realizing that FHS is a fine school with many opportunities and to judge it and discredit it because of national problems (if you could really call them that) of "dirty dancing" is ignorant. Aren't there better ways to measure a school's quality than by the dancing that occurs at their prom?
And I'm sorry that you would not send your kid to Findlay High School for anything, because I believe they are missing out on some great opportunities.
Psalm 149:3 Let them praise His name with the dance; Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
Eccl 3:4 A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn, And a time to dance.
Jeremiah 31:4 Again I will build you, and you shall be rebuilt, O virgin of Israel! You shall again be adorned with your tambourines, And shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice.
God speaks to us throughout the bible encouraging us to dance and sing praises to Him. How can you judge another when you yourself sin as well.
I believe this school board is causing a stumbling block for this child and it saddens me to think that his faith can be jolted because of an injustice of a fellow believer.
We sin against God and it is between Him and ourselves. He is the ultimate judge and when the time comes, He will reveal all things to us.
Love this child and teach him God's word but do not push him away because of your own wishes.
God is our Father and He loves us. Let's glorify HIM today by all we say and do.
Praise be to our precious Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Christ always,
Theresa
They can make rules for their school but once he steps off that school campus, they have no authority over him. They are SCHOOL rules not PERSONAL LIFE rules!
I'm ashamed of this school. It's school like this that give christians and christian schools bad names. That kids is responsible for his own decisions. That's between him and God.
a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance
Tyler, it's definitely time to dance. Get your GED. Write a stellar college essay about this very situation. You'll have your pick of schools.
Everyone talks about going into the real world, but I do believe that when contracts and rules are broken in the real world, people lose jobs or end up in jail.
Personally, I disagree with the school, but that is why I don't PAY to send my child there. Come on, man up and actually be an example to your stepson, not a media nut!!
No one has to agree with us or have the same beliefs. This is a fundemental building block of this country.
For everyone that is bashing the school, the principle and the church that sponsors the school: These folks have a right to believe the way they want and require students attending their school to act a certian way.
This young man has attended the school since kindergarden. He and his family have known the score and clearly the rules have not been a problem till now.
The step-father needs to stop threating to file a lawsuit and explain to his step-son that sometimes we are not allowed to do everything and anything we want.
Why suddenly is a school that has been FINE for 12 YEARS bad and the principle awful? This step-father is not demonstrating christian behavior.
The principle and school board are sticking to their beliefs and practices and expectations concerning student behavior. They have not changed: The young man and his family have.
This is not the school's issue, it is not a matter of reglious freedom or even civil rights! This is about a kid pitching a fit because he is not getting what he wants and his parents by the candy instead of putting him in timeout!
Follow the school's rules like you agreed to.
There isn't an issue here. It's cut and dry.
The Christian school is a breeder of haters and control freaks. Let this solidify a foundation for precedence in the battle to suppress or even purge Christianity out of our society.
If it feels good do it! If it doesn't well, then don't! If it's wrong just don't get caught... or change the rules!
Hang on people... it's coming! Get your house in order!
So, if the leaders of Heritage is following Pentateuchal laws (Old Testament), either they are immature Jews (as they certainly are not obeying all the Pentateuchal laws God gave to the Jews - for instance, mixed fabric clothing, shellfish, and pork are all verboten!), or very immature Christians (as no one before Jesus, and no one after Him - not even King David, a man after God's heart, completely followed the Pentateuchal laws - he was punished by being the inspiration for a poorly made and very low rated series broadcast on NBC this season until the ratings got so bad, they are going to air the rest of it over the summer, on Saturday nights - personally, I'd prefer waterboarding to that!)
So, if I were the Frosts, I'd bring Principal England a nice fresh lobster (live lobsters from Maine, not the dreck in the tank at the supermarket!) and fresh shrimp (from bayou country, not the freezer!) dinner, with pork fried rice. If he eats it, he's not a Christian according to his own definitions. If he doesn't, he is missing out of a very nice dinner, and still might not be a Christian by his own definitions - check to see if he has any poly-cotton clothing :)
And Jesus made wine so good, the wine steward complained, because the best wine was usually served first, then the cheap boxed wine later!
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Some one needs to contact Obama and get sojme laws in place to restrict this......
What's next Mike, take "God" out of pledge? Put down the ten commandments down in our christian school's hallway????
It's called a private Christian school!!!
I know Mr. Frost wants to go to a social event with his girlfriend. However, should the other students contact the media if they want to start wearing tight-fittng pants? Rules are there for a reason. You agreed to it and so did the rest of the students.
Those that don't go to school there or even those that do go there should not complain about their rules. If they don't like the rules, they can go to the school down the road.
* Just because he goes, doesn't mean he is going to have sex
*Once these kids grauate from this school they will be in for a rude awakening into the real world!
* Has anyone met God??? It's all a bunch of crap.
*Religion is just a man made idea to keep people in line so the world is a "happy place"--hmmm looks like that isn't workingo out for you all today is it????
*This school had better raise their tuition to cover all of their legal fees.
* Hopefully parents will see this story and remove their children from such a place of evil!!!!
* Bet Mr. England was having impure thoughts before high school and still is!!!! Feel sorry for his family being related to such an arrogant [expletive removed by moderator].
* Oh and by the way, I bet he's just jealous because your date is hotter than any chick he could've ever scored with!!!!!
* Bible thumpers....ha ha ha!! Seriously, get a life!!!!
I hope Tyler and his date have a wonderful time. And as the media outlet is there in front of the building, I think they should dance their way in on camera. Rub it in his face and show that principal he can't control him anymore.
I am not sure if the "wild" comment was meant to be sarcasim? But I followed the school, community and society rules. I had fun and still do but what you are choosing to focus is that the school said NO.
How many people here that are SCREAMING about freedom to choose and freedom of choice also like to bash so called "liberals". Am I a liberal, no I consider myself a moderate.
This remains an issue between this young man and his school. The reason this came up is that the young lady's school required permission from the young mans school for the young man to attend her prom because he goes to another school.
He was ask and the form signed but then the principle approached the subject with his school board and the board said No.
Taking this further: What if someone wanted to attend graduation naked? Extreme yes but basically the same thing. All schools have rules. This young man's school simply has a rule that most people disagree with.
I actually think the no dancing/no rock music rule is dumb and weird but I support the school's right to have the rule and to enforce it.
Remember that the young man chose to attend this school and therefore agreed to abide by their rules
I am not sure if the "wild" comment was meant to be sarcasim? But I followed the school, community and society rules. I had fun and still do but what you are choosing to focus is that the school said NO.
How many people here that are SCREAMING about freedom to choose and freedom of choice also like to bash so called "liberals". Am I a liberal, no I consider myself a moderate.
This remains an issue between this young man and his school. The reason this came up is that the young lady's school required permission from the young mans school for the young man to attend her prom because he goes to another school.
He was ask and the form signed but then the principle approached the subject with his school board and the board said No.
Taking this further: What if someone wanted to attend graduation naked? Extreme yes but basically the same thing. All schools have rules. This young man's school simply has a rule that most people disagree with.
I actually think the no dancing/no rock music rule is dumb and weird but I support the school's right to have the rule and to enforce it.
Remember that the young man chose to attend this school and therefore agreed to abide by their rules
Jeez, christianity IS STUPID!!!
Go to the prom kid !
AS PENNY TOLD US IN DIRTY DANCING: "Oh, come on, ladies. God wouldn't have given you maracas if He didn't want you to shake 'em."
They used to come out and check our cars to make sure they weren't tuned to a rock & roll station (you could be suspended). The principal used to "check" to see if we were wearing pantyhose by pinching our legs (pervert). The Bible teacher didn't deem the girls "worthy" to lead the class in prayer (I guess we lacked the proper equipment for God to hear us). I was told that if you wore a bathing suit you deserved to be raped. Women were encouraged to go to college to "meet a nice Christian husband" (kind of an expensive way to meet men) If you were seen going to the movies or going to the beach to swim (we lived near the gulf coast so that was a ridiculous request) by one of the schools many stool pigeons (I am sure you were probably one of them)you could be suspended. This type of behavior did not bring me closer to God but made me never want to go to church again. It took over 10 years for me to go back to regularly attending church again. How did making me never want to go to church again help me be a better Christian?
BTW I went to my boyfriend's prom and believe it or not, we didn't "dry hump". I have great memories of someone elses prom. I have no idea where you got your idea about prom but probably from the other fundamentalist nazis that brainwashed you. Why don't you do us all a favor and drink the koolaid? People like you make people hate church and turn away from God. I am so glad my parents took me out of that school. I am sorry to see that schools like that are still around.
Thank you for your response
Drugs, being arrested are CRIMES! Going to the Prom is Not
I bet you were wild when you were his age. Let the poor kid enjoy once in a life time opportunity.
Worry about your kids ma'am
My Son: Go to the Prom and don't be terrorized by a group of hateful spiritually ugly and bullying people
I dont know who your preacher is but my preacher is a poor elderly man who doesnt care for my money otherwise he would be preaching in a bigger church and living in a bigger house instead of our church which consist of 5 couples because yes we do live in a small... small.. town so we dont have to deal with all this crap. The people who are fighting over religion are suffering consequences that they brought on themselves. The bible speaks of wars and land takeovers galore and it always has a good reason behind it. Has it ever accured to you that due to the lack of younger christians our nation is going under! Besides I have lived my life to the fullest and now realize how stupit i was. Now I enjoy the finest things in life that i never thought i could afford, but only because I gave my life to GOD completely and he blesses me when I do right. I hope you try it sometime. I am AWAKE and I am living a great life. You are right there are some out there like that but we should let GOD handle it and tend to OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!
Think about being arrested (happens outside of school, kid still suspended).
Rules are Rules. This young man needs to plan a nice dinner with his girl at which they can wear black tie and be together.
The young man agreeded to these rules, they were not forced upon him. My work place says that I can not use illgeal drugs are be arrested for DUI without consequences.
Life has rules and we all agree to live within them or suffer the results.
Let the poor kid enjoy himself within his parents supervision without your threats and curses
The 3 hours and 45 minutes waiting on your date..
The car breaking down 20 min away and having to walk the rest in a tux...
The 600 terrible songs mixed in with the 2 you actually like, but you miss them both because you're stuck in the picture line...
Prom can potentially build more character than a stint in prison.
Schools are responsible for education while parents are responsibe for the children after school hours. Your school can only punish you if you violate your academic rules and behavior IN SCHOOL. Not tell you that you should urinate sitting down or pray at bedtime while you face EAST and not West.
Your brainwashing exceeds any kind of anyone who has just grade school education. Open up to life and enjoy the gifts that God gave us. But don't try and convert us to a Saudi Arabia Sharia Rule!!
You must have lived a dull, boring and secluded life. Religion cannot run a Country these days. Look what Religion has done to Ireland, two Christian faiths at war. Look what the Moslems and Christians in the Middle East are going through with the Jewish State,: You want more: How about the former Yugoslavia? And I can go on. Religion, like Unions, had its useful life. Now the ministers and Priests take your "donations" and live a lavish life while they laugh all the way to the bank praising themselves for brainwashing you. If we don't have our freedom then we are NOT the USA.
Wake up and smell the coffee Chrissy
My message to the student is God Danced the day you were born!
Everyone is asking "what right does this school have?". The truth is every right, the school is private and can set the rules. The rule against dancing and rock music is not a federal civil rights violation, it is just a school rule.
The young man and his family should honor the rules they committed to or face the penalty. This is only an issues because the young man was required to tell the school what he planed to do.
The school is right and the kid/family are wrong
What rights do children have? Do they have the right to be raised free from their parents superstition? Is the kind of emotional, psychological, and intellectual damage inflicted on children not a form of abuse? Shame on those manipulating the teachings of Christ, from Love to hate and punishment. No wonder atheists are winning the scenes.
Based on the model found in Luke 2:52, Jesus increased in wisdom, stature, favor with God, favor with man, the goal of Heritage Christian School is to provide a well-rounded education. Graduates of Heritage have:
1. taken the courses necessary for success in college
2. been taught how to think
3. learned how to know God better by their passionate study of the Bible
4. participated in fine arts programs and competitions
5. been involved in social settings from the formal banquet to the informal ballgames
6. participated in athletic competition
This school has many issues: Think before you sign.
This event should not be an issue.
Heritage Christian School does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, ethnicity, and gender in the administration of its admissions, education, financial and EXTRACURRICULAR policies.
Anyone under the age of 18 can't enter into a written binding agreement anywhere!
I am a graduate of a fundamentalist high school in Indiana. I have been out for 20 years and I can tell you for a fact that going overboard with rules does not prepare a teen for the real world. I am not an attorney,only a CEO but if I were I would take this case for FREE!! These people are brave to post things on thier website claiming to defend themselves. But they will be slapped by a reasonable judge so fast they would wish Jesus had already come. Keep up with this story and make a donation to this kids legal fund.
As a public school teacher, I can tell you that while some students do get out of hand (and are broken up), many, MANY act appropriately. It sounds like this school believes their students are so fragile that they will instantly cave to any and all temptations. What does that say about how well they have prepared them to face the world?
Satan kicked out of heaven as the music leader? Please quote your source, as I've never seen that in any Bible I've ever read. Pretty sure you are making that up.
So you choose to throw out generalizations about things like music, which is ironic because any time a non-Christian makes a blanket negative statement about Christians, people like you are the first to say "You can't judge all of us by one person!"
This school is overstepping its authority, pure and simple.
And yes, I am a Christian.
He should be able to attend the prom, walk on graduation, and continue on in his life! He has earned the right to walk at graduation!!! What is this telling our future generations? "No matter how much you work for what you want, no matter how hard you try, in the end if you do something we don't like, then you lose everything you've worked for?" That should make him an upstanding, prosperous young citizen in life! Why bother working hard? If you make a mistake, you lose it all!!! I believe in "do the crime, do the time," but we're not talking about a crime here! And...we're talking about a high school dance! In this country we have taken "God" out of our schools and public places. We can't speak about it without offending. I think that is something worth the time and effort, and should be concentrated more on, than a child attending a dance! This kid has many years in his future to be responsible, accountable, and reasonable! His young life is just that! Fun, and great to be young! If only we could ALL go back to those days of carefree living! I say "drop it" let him go, and let him have his credits, and walk on graduation day! There are more problems to work on in life than a kid attending his girlfriends prom! How about the school concentrate on those...instead of this! Sheesh!
I went to a christian school until high school, when my parents could not afford it any more. The rules regarding prom were the same there (in FL).
It sounds like this boy just has a case of rebellion from Christ. It has nothing to do with the school. The school is just following God's commands.
I went to two proms. I did not drink alcohol, use curse words, strip my clothes off, or have sex at either of them. Prom is just one last social gathering before you enter into your life after high school. Many of the people there are ones that you will never see or socialize with again after graduation.
Also, Tyler Frost could have gone to the prom without ever telling his school's principal. The fact that he did ask for permission and get the slip signed by his principal should be noticed as it shows that he is not a conniving young man. If he were going to do anything wrong at the prom, he could have signed his principal's name to the slip.
I am quite surprised that Heritage Christian School even allows their students to date outside of their own school peers.
Let's allow kids to be kids and have fun! This story seems to say that Heritage Christian School does not have much faith in their own teachings. If they did, they would trust their students to make the right choices in their lives.
God expects us to make our own dicicions! As "they" but "christian school" do not want you to.
It should be against the law to keep a child from going and doing what they want to? oh yes there a law in place, there they go again:making their own laws. School has no right to inpose that on any child.
That is between child and parent.
They should sue for taking his American rights away!
The response has really been addressed to whether a school can make an indentured servant out of an American Citizen by making him sign a contract or having his, "masters", tell him to sign.
All matters about the validity of minor-signed contracts aside, this is really about whether the society at large (America) allows non-governmental control over a child in his personal life by anyone other than the parents or secular government.
The "Christian" school might wish to consider if it really wants to be seen in the same light as a remnant of slavery, indenturing of immigrants, or any other (now) illegal coertion of human beings.
Given the publicity surrounding this stupidity, the "secular" government may look into this school. I certainly hope so.
As Christians we are called to be salt in the world and we are called to be different but this situation and that it has come to the newspaper makes for a bad statement against both tht church and the school it represents and will send an unchristlike message.
However, the people who set up this agreement, and who decided to be petty and vindictive are in the wrong. They are definitely NOT in the business of "Glorifying God" or whatever it is they call it.
Instead, they are acting like tin-pot dictators, flush with the power they have over a bunch of young people.
This is a constant problem with Christianity, with any religion. It gives unearned authority to those people who would otherwise have no authority.
Those people who couldn't get elected as dog-catcher, who couldn't be promoted into a position of power through skill or education, can always become a "leader of men" merely by memorizing a book of stories.
That's why these people are being so petty.
And since Tyler Frost and his parents made the mistake of buying into this crud, if they want to stay "good Christians" they will have to abide by these arbitrary rules.
Or, they can always come to their senses.
We as adults have to give our children some sense of trust if they are to grow up to be trustworthy adults.
Ok, so this form from the other school that the principal signed simply stated that the student attended school there. However, the principal was obviously aware by signing the form would allow the student to go to the prom. At this point why did he not simply refuse to sign it? He could have taken it the board to find out if he was legally obligated to sign it but he didn't. He understood by signing this form he was allowing the student to break the school/contract rules. The principal is responsible for his actions. He enabled the student to break the rules. I believe some action should be taken against him. He was the adult with decision making power. Now this student is being punished for the principal's actions. How is that fair and just?
And I'd just like to say.... get over it. I really truly don't believe, and will never believe, that God cares whether or not you go to prom in high school. I will never believe that he cares that you listen to "evil" or "wordly" music that contains no sex references or profanity. He cares about your character, your actions, and your words. He cares about the way you portray HIM to other people. I think he'll be okay if you pop a Miley Cyrus cd in, or watch an episode of CSI.
However, I don't think he's a big fan of his name being smeared on public news. See, now the principal and school board are on television and in newspapers speaking as if their way is automatically God's way.
People who have never really heard "the gospel" are now going to think that all Christians hold the same beliefs that music and dancing corrupts the soul and keeps you from God. People everywhere are going to think that that is what every single Christian believes.
They are going to think.. "Wow. So that's what God is like. I don't want that."
Unlike my small Christian school experience, God doesn't just sit there waiting for you to mess up. I believe he understands the human nature we possess.
And yes, I understand that salvation isn't a "license to sin," a phrase I heard often.... but you know, when you mess up, God isn't going to sit there waiting to expel your from school, or publicly humiliate you.
I personally believe that God knows my heart. He knows I like to break the rules sometimes. He loves me anyways. He lets me learn lessons on my own. I have some regrets. And then, I have made some mistakes that I will never regret... because of the stronger, more understanding person it's made me today.
I think Christian school administrators could learn a good bit from looking at the true God they tell others about. He is a God of grace and mercy.
Just like God gives us free will, and His Word to tell of the consequences of choosing a "different way," the principal signed the paper. By doing so, he was saying "This is against the rules we have set up for you, but you may go and we will let you."
At my school, everyone watched people follow the rules and be reprimanded every time they colored outside the lines, so to speak.
We were often publicly embarrassed by being singled out in class for every little misstep.
And you know... I think.. it's just how it is. I wish I could change it. I really do. But it was always like that there.
And I'd just like to say.... get over it. I really truly don't believe, and will never believe, that God cares whether or not you go to prom in high school. I will never believe that he cares that you listen to "evil" or "wordly" music that contains no sex references or profanity. He cares about your character, your actions, and your words. He cares about the way you portray HIM to other people. I think he'll be okay if you pop a Miley Cyrus cd in, or watch an episode of CSI.
However, I don't think he's a big fan of his name being smeared on public news. See, now the principal and school board are on television and in newspapers speaking as if their way is automatically God's way.
People who have never really heard "the gospel" are now going to think that all Christians hold the same beliefs that music and dancing corrupts the soul and keeps you from God. People everywhere are going to think that that is what every single Christian believes.
They are going to think.. "Wow. So that's what God is like. I don't want that."
Unlike my small Christian school experience, God doesn't just sit there waiting for you to mess up. I believe he understands the human nature we possess.
And yes, I understand that salvation isn't a "license to sin," a phrase I heard often.... but you know, when you mess up, God isn't going to sit there waiting to expel your from school, or publicly humiliate you.
I personally believe that God knows my heart. He knows I like to break the rules sometimes. He loves me anyways. He lets me learn lessons on my own. I have some regrets. And then, I have made some mistakes that I will never regret... because of the stronger, more understanding person it's made me today.
I think Christian school administrators could learn a good bit from looking at the true God they tell others about. He is a God of grace and mercy.
Just like God gives us free will, and His Word to tell of the consequences of choosing a "different way," the principal signed the paper. By doing so, he was saying "This is against the rules we have set up for you, but you may go and we will let you."
At my school, everyone watched people follow the rules and be reprimanded every time they colored outside the lines, so to speak.
We were often publicly embarrassed by being singled out in class for every little misstep.
And you know... I think.. it's just how it is. I wish I could change it. I really do. But it was always like that there.
Tyler started at the school very young, I believe his foundation there will make him have good decisions.
Mr. Frost agreed to the "school's rules" when he signed a statement of cooperation at the beginning of the school year. The Prom is at a different school.
Tyler is not Joseph from the Bible as quoted on the school website.
Good Luck, Tyler!
I agree with Clint, this is just another chance for the media to blast a good Christian institution.
Back to the first issue though, a contract is a contract, you break it you pay the consequences.
Does it specifically say that any activities in or OUT of school that don't conform to the schools rules and regulations, students will be suspended and/or expelled??
There needs to be some clarification here before those who side with the school stand behind it.
It's curious why the principal signed the form the other high school required to attend it's prom.
Did the principal harbor ill will toward Frost and his family???
In a court of law, the judge will give the signed form to attend more credence than the phony rules of the shool.
If the court sides with the school, then the principal should be fired for signing a form he knew Frost would be suspended over if Frost attended the prom. And then goes to the board and "BEARS FALSE WITNESS" against Frost.
This is a contract dispute and I believe that Frost will prevail. If the school wants total NAZI control over their brethren, then families who attend the church and send the kids to the school should live on a compound, like WACO!
And please stop quoting a bible that was MADE UP by man throughout history. It is merely their views and interpretations of our Creator.
The Creator is right in front/beside you if people would just open their eyes up and embrace LOVE, the Creator's presence will be known!
ALWAYS ASK THE ANSWER!
PS: "God" is a metaphor of a lifeform we cannot fathom, just to clarify.
DUH!
I am sorry that I don't have a Masters in Divinity. You lash out a school based solely from what you have read from the media.... Have you seen the love the teachers have for their school there? Have you seen how late the teachers seat by a kid when a parent is 45-minute late in picking their kid up? Have you seen how they do unpaid overtime to tutor a struggling kid? How about Mr. England counseling near-divorce parents? How about the school feeding a child that is delinquent in his cafeteria fees? Do you know any of the students that excel academically, musically and spiritually there? I could go on and on. These are the finest school staff there is in Findlay and there is nobody else I would trust my child's education!
Your premature and biased view of the school is unfair to staff, parents and students who are trying to uphold their Christian education.